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As predicted in the May issue of JDJ, the proprietary application server market is being dominated more then ever before by IBM, with BEA's share slipping for the second successive year.
IBM's share in 2003, according to the annual study released this week by analyst Gartner Dataquest, hit 41.3% ($429.7 million) "up from 36.4% in 2002," while BEA's slumped to 27.5% ($286.2 million), down from 29% the previous year.
The figures, especially bearing in mind that the total market fell in 2003 by 8.8% compared to 2002, are a vindication of Armonk, NY-based IBM's approach to the Java app server market.
It was in 2002 that BEA first slipped from the top spot they'd enjoyed until then, dropping from 2001's 34% to 29%. In a race that began in 2000, it took Big Blue just two years to catch up. Oracle came a close third to BEA in 2003, Gartner's study reveals, with 19% market share.
Joanne Correia, Vice President of the Gartner Dataquest Software Team and the analyst who has been producing this particular study each year, confirmed: "IBM is gaining share in every market, whereas most vendors were flat or negative."
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#71
Texas Java Guru commented on 22 May 2004
You guys who claim JBOSS or Tomcat is better than BEA must be penny programmer who does 1 or 2 page worth of JSP for your project and dare to claim expertise in J2EE already. Get a real job! Stop bashing the real deal app server and stop praising open source app server that can do very little and has the scalability of 10 concurrent users only.
#70
Boogyman commented on 19 May 2004
When stock is cheap that is when to buy!
Most people that dont understand markets buy when stock is expensive cause then they feel "safe" and they sell when stock is cheap because they feel at "risk". BEA prices will start going up tomorrow, buy now if you can, I did.
Watch the USA press today.
#69
Andy commented on 18 May 2004
End of the day today, Tuesday already and no one bought BEA yet! They are 40% off of their regular low price for God''s sake. No one thinks its a steal at these bargain basement prices?
What''s up with that?
Maybe tomorrow. If BEA does not get matched with a buyer tomorrow, then I give up. They will never get bought! Do they still think BEAS will get even lower? Who knows.
Boogyman who bought BEA?
I will watch your news tomorrow. :-))
#68
John commented on 18 May 2004
Amen
#67
Boogyman commented on 18 May 2004
BEA gave the world the application server, then they gave the world the application platform and tomorrow they will give the world something that will revolutionise Java and bring it to the masses!
Watch the press....
Long live BEA!!!
#66
kikuyo4me commented on 17 May 2004
>The fact is that Alfred has been a better CEO than 99% of all CEO''s in existence.
ROFLMAO!!!!
>In fact, let''s see how many of you can name another company that went from 0 to a billion dollars in such a short period of time....
The fact is that Bill Coleman was in charge when BEA was formed, and Bill Coleman was still in charge when BEA became a billion dollar company!
Alfred took over, decided to put ALL BEA''s eggs in the Java/J2EE basket, and that strategy has failed!!!
WebLogic Platform 8, (Alfred''s baby) is basically dead on arrival, it''s sales have actually DECLINED the last three quarters. That is a failure my friend, nothing else.
I''ve worked under both Coleman and Alfred, Alfred doesn''t come close to Coleman. He''s an engineer and has NO business running a company. He should be replaced, and I predict he will be replaced shortly!!
Oh,and by the way....
TOLD YA!!!!
#65
bealinuxguy commented on 17 May 2004
You know you guys are the stupidest most pathetic bunch of idiotic weasels I''ve ever had the displeasure to meet.
How dare you say that B, E or A has NOT been successful, or doesn''t know how to run a company? How many billion dollar companies have you formed??? ANSWER: NONE In fact, I doubt any of you could run a small McDonald''s. Sheesh!!
What a bunch of losers you are.
The fact is that Alfred has been a better CEO than 99% of all CEO''s in existence. In fact, let''s see how many of you can name another company that went from 0 to a billion dollars in such a short period of time.... yep.. didn''t think I''d hear a response out of you... morons.
Let''s make it easy, as soon as you can put together a half-billion dollar company in 5 years, you may come back and post insults... until then, sit back and let the big boys do their thing... ok??
#64
bigboymumu commented on 17 May 2004
Alfred NEEDS to sell the company or BEAS needs a new leader! He is not getting the job done!
#63
John commented on 17 May 2004
Can BEA survive against IBM? Give me a break, they will never see IBM in their rear view mirror again. BUT, now they see Oracle in their rear view (despite their lame assertions that they don''t). The real question is "can they survive against Oracle" - which is undoubtedly the database underneath the large majority of their installs. Microsoft is still operating on a largely obstacle free non java parallel path, so no stopping them. But Oracle...that spells big trouble for the BEA gang. The fight with big blue is over, and if they aren''t careful, the fight with big red could be their undoing.
#62
Boogyman commented on 17 May 2004
Can anyone please tell me:
1- How Gartner came up with those figures?
2- Where I can find this report on the Gartner site?
3- How can Gartner put Microsoft in 3rd place in the Enterprise Application Server Magic Quadrant?
Based on the installed base, revenue, amount of servers, quantity sold and any other mesurable criteria Microsoft should be in first place.
#61
WebSphere Lover commented on 17 May 2004
"For those of you who are crying about the "misleading graphic": Give me a break! You are saying that the graphic is showing the 2003 results skewed against BEA -making it look dwarfed compared to WebSphere? Take a look at the 2001 results! Will you now agree that those results look unfairly skewed against WebSphere, that BEA dwarfs IBM? Anyone that looks at the graph for two seconds can understand that it is not misleading."
Looks like they updated the graph this morning to 0 to 50 scale but does not look any better, what else?
#60
James commented on 17 May 2004
It is interesting to see that IBM is gaining share in the market however I am not sure that badging all software products produced by the company (including MQ Series) as WebSphere counts as a share in the "app server" market.
I am disappointed that this kind of sensationalism is used because if BEA Tuxedo were considered, then the picture may be slightly different.
#59
barthrh213 commented on 17 May 2004
i am not sure who or what is bringing BEA down but seems unlikely to be journalism: 4 ouit of the 5 research firms listed here by Yahoo Finance recommended a downgrade on May 14 after their quarterly earnings report.
The graph for the last 3 mnths tells its own story
#58
Chris Jordan commented on 17 May 2004
Although I think it does sounds reasonable that IBM is starting to take a bit of the lead on the App Server Market, I find it very interesting that Sys-Con is constantly trying to bring BEA down, just after the announcement by BEA to move their WebLogic magazine to another publisher. Personally, it lowers the value of Sys-Con''s publications with me and my developer team. It was nicer seeing an unbiased opinion.
#57
laid off last august commented on 15 May 2004
first is Carly at $3.8B (she wants it cheap after splurging for Compaq).
Larry comes in for $4.2B.
The Bill wants crossgain back and offers $5B.
SUNW will have to use its $6B to even have a chance!
Texas Java Guru wrote: You guys who claim JBOSS or Tomcat is better than BEA must be penny programmer who does 1 or 2 page worth of JSP for your project and dare to claim expertise in J2EE already. Get a real job! Stop bashing the real deal app server and stop praising open source app server that can do very little and has the scalability of 10 concurrent users only.
Boogyman wrote: When stock is cheap that is when to buy!
Most people that dont understand markets buy when stock is expensive cause then they feel "safe" and they sell when stock is cheap because they feel at "risk". BEA prices will start going up tomorrow, buy now if you can, I did.
Watch the USA press today.
Andy wrote: End of the day today, Tuesday already and no one bought BEA yet! They are 40% off of their regular low price for God''s sake. No one thinks its a steal at these bargain basement prices?
What''s up with that?
Maybe tomorrow. If BEA does not get matched with a buyer tomorrow, then I give up. They will never get bought! Do they still think BEAS will get even lower? Who knows.
Boogyman who bought BEA?
I will watch your news tomorrow. :-))
Boogyman wrote: BEA gave the world the application server, then they gave the world the application platform and tomorrow they will give the world something that will revolutionise Java and bring it to the masses!
Watch the press....
Long live BEA!!!
kikuyo4me wrote: >The fact is that Alfred has been a better CEO than 99% of all CEO''s in existence.
ROFLMAO!!!!
>In fact, let''s see how many of you can name another company that went from 0 to a billion dollars in such a short period of time....
The fact is that Bill Coleman was in charge when BEA was formed, and Bill Coleman was still in charge when BEA became a billion dollar company!
Alfred took over, decided to put ALL BEA''s eggs in the Java/J2EE basket, and that strategy has failed!!!
WebLogic Platform 8, (Alfred''s baby) is basically dead on arrival, it''s sales have actually DECLINED the last three quarters. That is a failure my friend, nothing else.
I''ve worked under both Coleman and Alfred, Alfred doesn''t come close to Coleman. He''s an engineer and has NO business running a company. He should be replaced, and I predict he will be replaced shortly!!
Oh,and by the way......
bealinuxguy wrote: You know you guys are the stupidest most pathetic bunch of idiotic weasels I''ve ever had the displeasure to meet.
How dare you say that B, E or A has NOT been successful, or doesn''t know how to run a company? How many billion dollar companies have you formed??? ANSWER: NONE In fact, I doubt any of you could run a small McDonald''s. Sheesh!!
What a bunch of losers you are.
The fact is that Alfred has been a better CEO than 99% of all CEO''s in existence. In fact, let''s see how many of you can name another company that went from 0 to a billion dollars in such a short period of time.... yep.. didn''t think I''d hear a response out of you... morons.
Let''s make it easy, as soon as you can put together a half-billion dollar company in 5 years, you may come back and post insults... until then, sit back and let the big boys do their thing... ok??
John wrote: Can BEA survive against IBM? Give me a break, they will never see IBM in their rear view mirror again. BUT, now they see Oracle in their rear view (despite their lame assertions that they don''t). The real question is "can they survive against Oracle" - which is undoubtedly the database underneath the large majority of their installs. Microsoft is still operating on a largely obstacle free non java parallel path, so no stopping them. But Oracle...that spells big trouble for the BEA gang. The fight with big blue is over, and if they aren''t careful, the fight with big red could be their undoing.
Boogyman wrote: Can anyone please tell me:
1- How Gartner came up with those figures?
2- Where I can find this report on the Gartner site?
3- How can Gartner put Microsoft in 3rd place in the Enterprise Application Server Magic Quadrant?
Based on the installed base, revenue, amount of servers, quantity sold and any other mesurable criteria Microsoft should be in first place.
WebSphere Lover wrote: "For those of you who are crying about the "misleading graphic": Give me a break! You are saying that the graphic is showing the 2003 results skewed against BEA -making it look dwarfed compared to WebSphere? Take a look at the 2001 results! Will you now agree that those results look unfairly skewed against WebSphere, that BEA dwarfs IBM? Anyone that looks at the graph for two seconds can understand that it is not misleading."
Looks like they updated the graph this morning to 0 to 50 scale but does not look any better, what else?
James wrote: It is interesting to see that IBM is gaining share in the market however I am not sure that badging all software products produced by the company (including MQ Series) as WebSphere counts as a share in the "app server" market.
I am disappointed that this kind of sensationalism is used because if BEA Tuxedo were considered, then the picture may be slightly different.
barthrh213 wrote: i am not sure who or what is bringing BEA down but seems unlikely to be journalism: 4 ouit of the 5 research firms listed here by Yahoo Finance recommended a downgrade on May 14 after their quarterly earnings report.
The graph for the last 3 mnths tells its own story
Chris Jordan wrote: Although I think it does sounds reasonable that IBM is starting to take a bit of the lead on the App Server Market, I find it very interesting that Sys-Con is constantly trying to bring BEA down, just after the announcement by BEA to move their WebLogic magazine to another publisher. Personally, it lowers the value of Sys-Con''s publications with me and my developer team. It was nicer seeing an unbiased opinion.
laid off last august wrote: first is Carly at $3.8B (she wants it cheap after splurging for Compaq).
Larry comes in for $4.2B.
The Bill wants crossgain back and offers $5B.
SUNW will have to use its $6B to even have a chance!
laid off last august wrote: MSFT is another potential buyer. Crossgain was founded by MSFT geeks and was successfull. BEAS bought Crossgain and successfully integrated the company. I''d be surprised if MSFT does not want a part of them back! Besides, BEAS would be a solid addition to the MSFT arsenal should Linux eventually take off in the next 2-5 years.
foo_fighter007 wrote: I will never forget his motivational speach to the sales force a few years ago. he said something like, "All of you must kick some ass and have fun". He must have been refering to management kicking the sales force''s ass...and working there was definately no fun! They turn over the sales force every year. Not a good use of money in my opinion.
siivc wrote: BEAS is going to be the building infrastructure having to do with all future technological improvements in Homeland Security. While there''s a host of MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTS being handed out everyday, there''s one very special major MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR contract I''m waiting for to be announced "ANYDAY NOW". BEAS is going to get a nice chunk of contract work after it''s announced. It does not matter who the MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR contract goes too. Fact of the matter is it''s due out at anytime. Somebody should be smart and definitely jump on the BEAS buyout bandwagon and make a decent offer before this contract is announced. I wouldn''t be surprised if Big $$$ days are ahead for BEAS. ORCL and IBM are right now licking their chops over BEAS right now. What''s going to happen is one morning we will either see this stock open up many dollars higher due to a bid for purchase offer or, OUT...
J2EEGuru wrote: I found out about more rumors from a reliable source close to BEA since I wrote my first posting. Rumor has it that BEA wins a number of Reader''s choice awards from Sys-con last December.
JDJ puts Alfred on the cover of its January issue. One of the JDJ staff members get copied on an internal BEA email accidentally which they find its content disrespectful and offensive. JDJ publisher privately emails Alfred and asks for an apology for the language. Alfred shows him the finger.
Then JDJ publishes an editorial in its March issue without mentioning Alfred''s name and preaches to him.
http://sys-con.com/story/?storyid=43873&DE=1
Alfred gets pissed off and sends his new v.p. of developer marketing programs he hired from MS to Sys-con offices to new york.
They take a picture together but JDJ still does not get an apology from Alfred.
http://www.sys-con.com/pastVisitors.cfm...
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